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Lipowiec, Poland/Family Mystery

  • 02 July 2020 3:17 AM
    Reply # 9073382 on 8977862
    Christine in Los Angeles

    Hello. I'm a professional genealogist with W. PA roots and heritage that includes Hungarian, Slovak, Germans in Slovakia, Polish, and "Ruthenian" and have some good experience in this area. So I wanted to give some advice.  First, do not count on Familysearch/LDS or Ancestry. I have reason to believe that the countries of our ancestors want us to use their archives and that more independent genealogy sites are being set up for our use. In an attempt to help this person, I spent a couple hours doing place and name research on the web and then ran some data through geneteka.pl run out of Poland. They are adding data all the time so you may want to check in with this database often. Of interest is the Ukrainian as well as Subcarpathian parish records that you c an search and some are scanned and downloadable. If I were working with this person as a client, I would want to see his census work, recheck his ship records, naturalization and  WWI or II draft registration as the basic info does seem inconsistent, but I would hesitate to suggest illegitimacy or being on the run is the reason. More likely there were written and spoken communication difficulties.

    First Lipoweic near Dukla.  The county is Krosno.  It's a tiny place and does not seem to have its own church records.  I have ancestors from Dukla and as it was the scene of epic battles, We can  only hope records exist.   Likely the records are at another Parish. Search for larger towns ,Wola Nizna orJaslika. I note that likely the Greek Catholics in this town may be included in Roman Catholic records though the database has some GC as well. I see some notations such as "this man comes from Ruthenian lands" in Roman Catholic records and in Poland the Roman Catholic Church officially kept records for all but large GC parishes. The problem seems to be the given and surnames. Slav brings up nothing so I agree it is not a surname in the area, though I did meet a Croation surname Slavko. However the surname Mac does come up. George would be Jerko. In Polish Jersey.  Sometimes Yuri. Simon would be Szeman. The surname Margetko also seems wrong. I suggest Marko, another with lots coming up. Try Mar* or Mark* I've seen g turned into k on some records. Finally there is a new Ukrainian database out of Europe privately funded, the National Archives of Hungary, and Slovak church records in which you see Rusyn names. Settlements with Ruska are a clue.  I hope this helps.

  • 18 June 2020 12:34 AM
    Reply # 9044371 on 9001407
    Anonymous
    Anonymous member wrote:

    I do not know if you have looked at an alternative spelling for Javornicki...but in western PA near the town of Charleroi PA is listed this business:

    Javornicky Auto Repair  657  Rte. 519   Eighty Four PA  15330

      (724) 228 1003

    Also there is an obituary on legacy.com for Thomas A. Javornicky who passed on 3 April 2020.  He lived in that area.

    Best of luck in your search.


    Thank you!
  • 29 May 2020 3:15 PM
    Reply # 9001407 on 8977862
    Anonymous member

    I do not know if you have looked at an alternative spelling for Javornicki...but in western PA near the town of Charleroi PA is listed this business:

    Javornicky Auto Repair  657  Rte. 519   Eighty Four PA  15330

      (724) 228 1003

    Also there is an obituary on legacy.com for Thomas A. Javornicky who passed on 3 April 2020.  He lived in that area.

    Best of luck in your search.


  • 22 May 2020 4:58 PM
    Reply # 8987390 on 8977862

    Sharon, you're so right about the possible issues our ancestors faced.  Your example about trying to evade the draft is a real possibility in my grandfather's case, as well.  Yes, Tom Peters worked with me for several weeks trying to come up with something on my grandfather -- the good news is that more records are constantly being added to Family Search and Ancestry.  I sympathize/ emphasize with your problems in Ukraine!  I also appreciate your input. If you come across anyone  else with ancestry in Lipowiec, please connect us! (By the way, Lipowiec, although devastated in Operation Vistula, still is a picturesque, beautiful village -- except only some tombstones and foundations remain. But, there is a little yellow chapel about half a mile from the village, which escaped the trauma. What a gorgeous place!)

  • 21 May 2020 7:37 PM
    Reply # 8985359 on 8977862
    Sharon

    I talked to Tom and he felt info for the village could be found on family search. From what you are saying, unfortunately the info is not available on the site. Though there is some on your grandmothers name. I have found its really difficult to get the info on my villages and surnames. I went to the archives at Uzhgorod and got the run around and have been told by several people you need to find a local researcher and they will have no problem with payment. 

    It was a hard life for our ancestors and they left there country for many reasons.  I had an uncle whose mother was terrified that he would be drafted and so literally he escaped by people hiding him in wagons and getting him to the  port. He lived free here and contributed to our country.

    Sharon

  • 21 May 2020 1:43 AM
    Reply # 8983566 on 8977862
    Lee Ann Slavik-Erder

    Hi, Sharon -- I have looked many times on Family Search and Ancestry, for all names concerned, not finding anything. However, I did just discover something there that never came up before: a listing for a Piotr Slawiczki from Lipowiec, born 1864. His ship manifest shows him coming to the U.S. in 1900 to a brother (no name) in Mt. Carmel (PA?). Apparently he had also come over in 1866, and 1890.  This could very well be my grandfather's father. Still no clue about my grandfather's alias, though. Our C-RS genealogist, Tom Peters, thinks my grandfather might have been illegitimate, or running from something. If this Piotr Slawiczki is my great grandfather, he would have been 18 when my grandfather was born. Since he was an expert at going back and forth, he may have procured alias travel papers for my grandfather for an unknown reason. Unfortunately, the records from Lipowiec aren't available during the crucial period I need. (I do have the information on my grandmother- thank you.) I appreciate your efforts to assist in this mystery. 

  • 20 May 2020 6:29 PM
    Reply # 8982933 on 8977862
    Sharon

    RE: George Slavic alias Seman Mac and Simeon Macko. A suggestion is to go to family search and look up records for the village under  Seman Mac. 

    See information for your grandmother in this link.https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZR9-NDW

    Maria Margetko from Koterbach, Spis Co.

    I do have other info , if you would like to email me at shangp@rcn.com.

  • 18 May 2020 11:47 PM
    Reply # 8978402 on 8977862
    Sharon

    This surely is a mystery. Its rather confusing. I know the surnames many times were changed here. And in the villages there names were written in cyrillic. I wonder if something gets lost in the interpretation. In my family, the brothers spell there names differently but its just a slight difference whereas your names are so very different. On my husbands grandfather's naturalization paper there was actually a place that asked what the person wished to be known by. And his grandfather put a different name on the form. I think people wanted to blend in and not be considered foreigners as they often were.

  • 18 May 2020 4:58 PM
    Message # 8977862

    Dear fellow Carpatho-Rusyns --I have a family mystery I need help solving: My grandfather, George Slavic, was born in the Carpatho-Rusyn village of Lipowiec, Poland/Lemkovyna/Galicia, near Dukla and the (now) Slovak border, in 1882. On his ship manifest in 1900 he traveled to the U.S. as Seman Mac, but on his wedding day to Maria Margetko in 1904 in Uniontown, PA, he identified on church records as George Slavic.  On the subsequent church records for baptisms of his children, there is one that, in addition to listing him as George Slavic, also mentions an alias of Simeon Macko.  I know from his ship manifest that he originally came to Charleroi, PA, to a cousin, Nicholas Javorniki, who was also from Lipowiec, Poland. No other relatives are known. On my grandfather's Alien Registration form filled out in the '40's, he listed his name as Jura Slavic, and his parents as Pete Slavic and Anna Yawornitski.  I know that "Slavic" is not a Rusyn name, but is possibly a reference to "Slavish".  My quest is to discover the true name of my grandfather, why he used two names, and possibly locate relatives. At the least, there must be Javorniki/ Javornik relatives from the Charleroi, PA area.  If anyone can help, or has ancestry in Lipowiec, please respond. Thank you!

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