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  • 29 July 2020 4:12 PM
    Reply # 9133496 on 9128253
    John F Sansky
    John F Sansky wrote:
    My grandparents emigrated to Dunmore, PA around 1910. They lived next to George and Irene Juba. I have not been able to find their port of entry. My grandmother'  was Maria Topolyancsin.  She was born on December 8, 1888 in Uličské Krivé.  This town is between Ulič and Zboj.   Her father was Peter Topolyancsin and her mother was Olena Kacsan. I cannot find my grandfather's  birth or any other records. He told my father he was from Zboj. His USA Military Registration says he was from Tubuji, Austria. I have never heard of this town. I was going to visit Zboj a few years ago but had to have surgery for a cancer. I have not been able to reschedule the trip. Maybe some day.
    Greetings John!
    My immigrant grandparents are from Zboj and Nova Sedlica, next town north.  Presently, my family lives in Zboj and Ulic.   Others have scattered to the winds, especially Kosice and Snina.  Some are in Bratislava and some are in Ireland.  I've met them all.
    I spent two weeks living in the village, meeting many, many people thanks to my cousins who took me in to their home in Ulic'.  I talk by email to my cousins back there oten.
    I am familiar with all the names you speak of.   I've been to Ulicske Krive.  I have also spent a lot of time examining church from Zboj and Nova Sedlica.  I have also traced many, many villagers from the same.  I can tell you with authority the Mormons do not have all of them for the dates you'd expect.
    I have much information for you.   
    It appears that you have been doing a direct, literal search only on the names in question.  
    A. You need to be clear what your grandparents names were.   We need:
    Your grandmother's maiden name, first and last
    My grandmother was named Maria Topolyancsin acording to her baptism record.
    1. your grandmother's husband's full name, first, and last.
    His draft registration lists him as Michael Sansky. Except for 1920 census and a child death record of around the same time this is thee only spelling I know. In those two instances the surname was spelled Sanskie.
    B. Just because they said they were "from" somewhere does not mean they were born there.    Especially if they were married.
    C) Where (US or Europe) and when were they married?  If you don't know, approximate it. 
    My grandmother is reported to have arrived in the USA in 1910 with severalmonthold daughter Helen. My guess is that she was married in Austria Hungary some time in the previous three or four years.
    D. What research sources have you exhausted? 
    Did you check:
    The LDS/Mormon Greek Catholic church records for Zboj, Ulickse  Krive and Ulic  as held in the Family History Library (Mormon)? 
    I did’t find anything here. Could be my lack of research skills I hope.
    Ships passenger lists?    Did you look for others with those surnames and who they were going to stay with once they arrived in the US?    

    Carl K

    To:jsansky@yahoo com

    Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:23 PM

    Michael and family in the 1920 census lists their former home as "Ulich"  That is actually Ulič Slovakia now and was formerly Ulics under the Hungarians.  So those are the spellings in English, Slovak and Hungarian but all three are pronounced exactly the same way.

    Ulič is right next to the small village of Zboj which is right next to Nova Sedlice.  So your family history is almost certainly correct.  But I cannot find baptism records for your grandparents in the Greek Catholic Churches in the area.  I have tried numerous spellings of their surnames without luck.  Currently there are people in Zboj named "Sjansky" so this is the right town.

    Equally surprising is that I can't find their port of entry documents.  I have a way of searching the Ellis Island records by their home towns.  But again no names from Zboj are close.  Zboj was formerly known as "Harcos".  So I checked this too without success.  Unfortunately, I can't do this with the other ports of entry.

    This is really challenging.

    New York Passenger Arriva...(E.llis Island), 1892-1924 Roll 1950, vol 4370-4372, 7 Oct 1912  Looks like Maria Topolyancsin, my paternal grandmother.

    Marriage Certificate? - almost always states birthplace.
    Cannot find
    Searched the ship manifests by village name using Stevemorse.org?  It is far more powerful than the ellisisland search tool.   Where did those people go and to whom did they go to stay with?  
    Could not find any information.
    Searched for the surnames using stevemorse.org?
    Yes
    Naturalization records (if they became citizens)
    I did search here but I do not believe that they were naturalized.
    E) How old were they when they immigrated?  Approximately +- 3 years is a good start.
    They were probably 22 and 23 when they emmigrated.
    F) Where and in what year was the firstborn child born?    Another important clue.
    Their first child Helen. Her son says she was born in Zboj probably 1908 or 1909.
    G) Wtheir first chehat were the first names of his siblings and himself, listed in birth order?   Date is unnecessary.   Rusyns in these villages often used a common naming pattern in the late 1800s early 1900s.
    I only know of one, Charles Sansky, born about 1888, lived in Broome County , NY and worked in EJ Shoe Factory in Endicott, NY.
    Once we have done this work and collect this information, we can move forward.   I'm fairly certain the info you are looking for can be readily found.   









  • 27 July 2020 12:21 PM
    Message # 9128253
    John F Sansky wrote:

    My grandparents emigrated to Dunmore, PA around 1910. They lived next to George and Irene Juba. I have not been able to find their port of entry. My grandmother'  was Maria Topolyancsin.  She was born on December 8, 1888 in Uličské Krivé.  This town is between Ulič and Zboj.   Her father was Peter Topolyancsin and her mother was Olena Kacsan. I cannot find my grandfather's  birth or any other records. He told my father he was from Zboj. His USA Military Registration says he was from Tubuji, Austria. I have never heard of this town. I was going to visit Zboj a few years ago but had to have surgery for a cancer. I have not been able to reschedule the trip. Maybe some day.

    Greetings John!

    My immigrant grandparents are from Zboj and Nova Sedlica, next town north.  Presently, my family lives in Zboj and Ulic.   Others have scattered to the winds, especially Kosice and Snina.  Some are in Bratislava and some are in Ireland.  I've met them all.

    I spent two weeks living in the village, meeting many, many people thanks to my cousins who took me in to their home in Ulic'.  I talk by email to my cousins back there oten.

    I am familiar with all the names you speak of.   I've been to Ulicske Krive.  I have also spent a lot of time examining church from Zboj and Nova Sedlica.  I have also traced many, many villagers from the same.  I can tell you with authority the Mormons do not have all of them for the dates you'd expect.

    I have much information for you.   

    It appears that you have been doing a direct, literal search only on the names in question.  

    A. You need to be clear what your grandparents names were.   We need:

    Your grandmother's maiden name, first and last

    1. your grandmother's husband's full name, first, and last.

    2. I believe we need your grandmother's maiden name.

    3. Where and when they were married.

    B. Just because they said they were "from" somewhere does not mean they were born there.    Especially if they were married.

    C) Where (US or Europe) and when were they married?  If you don't know, approximate it. 

    D. What research sources have you exhausted? 

    Did you check:

    The LDS/Mormon Greek Catholic church records for Zboj, Ulickse  Krive and Ulic  as held in the Family History Library (Mormon)? 

    Ships passenger lists?    Did you look for others with those surnames and who they were going to stay with once they arrived in the US?    

    Marriage Certificate? - almost always states birthplace.

    Searched the ship manifests by village name using Stevemorse.org?  It is far more powerful than the ellisisland search tool.   Where did those people go and to whom did they go to stay with?  

    Searched for the surnames using stevemorse.org?

    Naturalization records (if they became citizens)

    E) How old were they when they immigrated?  Approximately +- 3 years is a good start.

    F) Where and in what year was the firstborn child born?    Another important clue.

    G) What were the first names of his siblings and himself, listed in birth order?   Date is unnecessary.   Rusyns in these villages often used a common naming pattern in the late 1800s early 1900s.

    Once we have done this work and collect this information, we can move forward.   I'm fairly certain the info you are looking for can be readily found.   





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